Item 1605
OTHER:
Helicopter - Outside - Side-by-Side - Cornu, Paul, 1907 - First flight
Letter to the American Helicopter Society ~ Submitted, but Unpublished
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Ms. Kim Smith Subject: Letter to the editor: Ms. Kim Smith Subject: Letter to the editor: The paper 'Engineering Analysis of the 1907 Cornu Helicopter' by Gordon Leishman and Bradley Johnson, in the July 2009 issue of the Journal of the America Helicopter Society, presents a very interesting story of Paul Cornu and his efforts to advance the development of helicopters. However, I question the paper's claim that "the engineering analysis described in this article is unequivocal." My questioning relates to the assumptions of; a Figure of Merit of 0.5, and a Transmission Efficiency of 0.75. This figure of merit is based on the craft having flat blades, whereas pictures show that the blades are undercambered. Secondly, calculations show that wide-chord, slow turning rotors improve efficiency. Thirdly, Cornu used the side-by-side configuration, which is the most efficient arraignment for hover. IMHO, a meaningfully higher FM would be more reasonable. The power transmission from motor to rotors was by flat-belt. Flat-belt were a well-known and much-used means of transmitting power in machine shops, including Cornu's shop. Today's flat-belts are capable of efficiencies up to 0.98, therefore it could be assumed that the one-minute long eliminations of the belt slippage would have temporarily increased the power at the rotors. There is nothing indicating that Paul Cornu did not achieve short-term vertical flight. Perhaps, his disappointment regarding the Deutsch Archdeacon Grand Prix, and disenchantment with the future potential for his current design caused him to refrain from further promotion, and return to engineering and patenting advancements, such as a conventional swashplate system.
Dave Jackson Vancouver, Canada |
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Cornu's Rotorcraft and Its Specifications etc. For the consideration of lift with minimal power:
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Leishman uses Momentum theory to evaluate.
From Helicopter Theory page 30
2-1.2 Momentum Theory in Hover
Consider an actuator disk of area A and a total thrust T (Fig.2-1) It is assumed that the loading is distributed uniformly over the disk.
Pideal =
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Wing - Blade Aspect Ratio Comparison:
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Aspect Ratio |
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Sailplane: |
20:1 |
http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/zwf2.htm |
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Spitfire: |
5.6:1 |
http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/SpitIX.htm |
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Cornu: |
4.2 (which includes the span of the large cutout) |
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SynchroLite 3-blade: |
22:1 |
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Calculations; MT and BEMT from Access Database Program:
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Comparisons:
See tables on these pages;
OTHER: ~ Aerodynamics - Rotor Disk - Dual Configurations
OTHER: Helicopter - Inside - Principal Assembly - Electrotor-Simplex (Ultralight & UAV)
DESIGN: UniCopter ~ Rotor - Disk - Large Chord & Low Tip Speed
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Comparison Gyrobee to Cornu flying in ground effect.
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Thread on Rotary Wing Forum:
Engineering Analysis of the 1907 Cornu Helicopter
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Thread on PPRuNe:
2007: Centennial of the Helicopter?
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Bringing Conventional Momentum Theory and Blade Element Theory Closer To Cornu's Calculations:
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Inverse Taper:
"... from whatever payload advantage resulted from its increased aerodynamic performance in hover and vertical climb. (Some preliminary studies indicate that perhaps inverse taper holds some promise in this regard.)"
~ by Prouty [RWP1 p.649] and Graviman (Mart)![]()
Antoinette engine:
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Access Forms:
The following calculations are based on 1 of the 2 disks.
Test Conditions:

The above note has been removed. It is Theta. The AofA is calculated for each element. See 'Elements' form.
After August 16, 2009 review.
Helicopter Specifications:

After August 16, 2009 review.
Momentum Method:

After August 16, 2009 review.
Flight Hovering:

August 16, 2009 review.
Additional Information on the Ability of the Cornu Helicopter to Hover in Ground Effect:
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Note Related to Coding of Prouty's Momentum and Blade Element in Hover:
The results of these calculations may give a 'required power values' that are too low.
This may be because the algorithms were meant for larger helicopters.See;
OTHER: Helicopter - Outside - Single (1 seat) - Sikorsky VS-300![]()
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To continue being the devil's advocate.
A different means of comparison ~
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Cornu Helicopter: |
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Gross Weight: |
518 lb (w/ 110 lb sand bag) |
450 lbs |
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Wing/Blade Area: (1) |
4 * 14.4 sq.ft. = 58 sq.ft. |
225 sq.ft. |
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Engine: |
Antoinette |
Corsair Black Devil |
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Power: |
24 hp. |
22 hp. |
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Power Transmission: |
Mechanical (flat belt) ~ 5-10% loss |
Aerodynamic ~ 15% loss |
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Velocity: (0) |
.85R * 2 * 9.84 ft (2) * π * 85 rpm = 4,468 fpm = 50mph = 74 fps (0) |
35 mph = 51 fps |
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Rate of Climb at Gross Weight: |
None - hovering flight |
500 fpm. (3) |
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Lift: L = (1/2) d v2 s CL (3) |
v2 s CL = 742 x 58 = 317,608 |
v2 s CL = 512 x 225 = 585,225 |
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Notes: |
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A further comparison after reading the Cornu section that was added to Leishman's revised book 'Principals of Helicopter Aerodynamics' ~ August 16, 2009
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Airfoil: |
Very thin undercambered, but Calculated using 8-H-12 |
Calculated using 8-H-12 |
VR-7 |
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Gross Weight: (lbs) |
575 (5) |
550 |
525 |
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Disk Area: (sq-ft) |
608 | 512 (1) |
254 |
346 |
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Disk Loading: (lb / sq-ft) |
0.95 | 1.12 (1) |
2.16 |
1.52 |
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Blade Area: (sq-ft) |
58 |
10.88 |
11.72 |
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Blade Loading: (sq-ft) |
9.91 |
50.55 |
44.80 |
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Rotor Speed: (RPM) |
170 (6) |
500 |
500 |
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0.095 |0.113 (3) |
0.043 |
0.034 |
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Power - Momentum Theory: (HP) (4) |
2 * 9.41 = 18.82 (7) |
28.76 |
19.94 |
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2 * 9.81 = 19.62 (7) |
28.02 |
22.91 |
Notes:
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In addition, the latest edition of 'Principles of Helicopter Aerodynamics' by Gordon Leishman includes his assessment of the power required for the Cornu helicopter to hover, on pages 72 & 73. He calculates the Ideal Power to be 14.7 HP. This is then multiplied by a Figure of Merit of 0.5 and a Transmission Loss of 0.75, to give a Required Power of 40 HP.
However, no supporting information has been given for the guestimates of FM = 0.5 and TL = 0.75. Whereas, the above sections; A/, B/, C/ & D/, give a rational for significantly greater efficiencies.
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IMHO, the available information suggests that the helicopter could have hovered and may have hovered for very short intervals, but that the craft was unstable and uncontrollable. The Side-by-side is the optimum one for efficiency, therefore It may be the controllability that caused Cornu to look at alternative configurations.
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Concluding Remarks:
Rebuttal to Leishman/Johnson Figure of Merit argument;Cornu's Figure of Merit may (or may not) have been sufficient. The flat-belt transmission slippage may (or may not) have been solved. Improvements to the craft's structure may (or may not) have been able to withstand the forces. The controls may (or may not) have provided short-term stability. Not winning the D-A Grand Prix Prize of Aviation may (or may not) have been his reason for moving on to new ideas.
However, in my opinion, the technical and the tenor in 'Engineering Analysis of the 1907 Cornu Helicopter' may (or may not) be an attempt to support a preconceived notion.
IMHO, if the Figure of Merit had be more realistic, if rotor speeds had been extend beyond 140 rpm, if Cornu's pitch angle of 13º had been used, and the Efficiency was to take into account temporary minimizations of slippage (partially due to a larger driving pulley for the faster rotor speeds), then the power to lift ratio should have looked attractive.
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Perhaps it all depends on what constitutes '1st Flight'. Does an airplane's power assisted glides of a few hundred feet, in ground effect, which may (or may not) have had takeoff assistance, and was unsupported by pictures, constitute '1st Flight'? ![]()
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A TECHNICAL CONCERN: The pitch of Cornu's undercambered blades in the above tables is 14.8º. Could this create a leading edge stall on an undercambered airfoil?
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Miscellaneous Stuff:
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Summation:
Perhaps it's -
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Last Revised: Saturday, March 22, 2010
Flat ~ undercambered The spar is located The spar on Sikorsky's flat .. is located at 30% of chord
Cornu's description says "skidding of the belts prevented us from sustaining the lift for more than one minute.".... This may imply that the belts would start skidding after a minute of use. Get original French of this sentence translated by Pascal
NVFoil
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Airfoil: |
AoA: [α] |
CP: [xcp] |
Cl |
Cd |
Cl /Cd |
Cm |
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NACA 0012 |
3 |
.26 |
0.361 |
0.001 |
361 |
-0.004 |
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RV-13123 |
3 |
.42 |
1.149 |
0.002 |
574 |
-0.188 |
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RV-12inf |
3 |
.60 |
1.858 |
0.088 |
21 |
-0.659 |
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RV-25042 |
3 |
.36 |
0.956 |
0.002 |
478 |
-0.104 |
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RV-10025 |
3 |
.44 |
1.650 |
-0.005 |
478 |
-0.315 |
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RV-Flat Plate |
3 |
.50 |
-0.249 |
-0.016 |
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0.066 |
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NACA 0012 |
5 |
.26 |
0.600 |
0.001 |
600 |
-0.007 |
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RV-13123 |
5 |
.38 |
1.419 |
0.017 |
83 |
-0.186 |
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NACA 0012 |
8 |
.26 |
0.959 |
0.001 |
959 |
-0.012 |
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RV-25042 |
8 |
.28 |
1.772 |
0.100 |
17 |
-0.065 |
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RV-13123 |
8 |
.25 |
1.825 |
0.060 |
30 |
-0.180 |
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NACA 0012 |
15 |
.26 |
1.782 |
0.003 |
594 |
-0.021 |
This is the A0A needed in Access for the lift to be achieved. |
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RV-Flat Plate |
15 |
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0.420 |
0.028 |
15 |
0.360 |
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RV-25042 |
15 |
.25 |
2.874 |
0.440 |
7 |
0.006 |
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RV-10025 |
15 |
.33 |
3.325 |
0.207 |
16 |
-0.258 |
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RV-13123 |
15 |
.33 |
2.750 |
0.262 |
10.5 |
-0.154 |
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Not looking too good for the undercambered.