Item 1667

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Drawing:

Bill of Material 1667 ~ Final Assembly - for the 1/8 scale.

Objective:

How Much Power Do You Need to Fly? [for airplanes, not helicopters]. From http://www.ozrcflying.com/archive/2007_01_01_archive.html

To figure out the power you need to fly a model depends on the weight of the model, and the type of model it is, as well as what you want from it.

In one of those quaint exposures of the inadequacies of the Imperial measures system which the US still cherishes this is normally expressed as Watts (a metric unit) per pound (an imperial unit). For those that want to work with a measurement system that makes sense, one pound equals approximately 450g for the numbers below.

50-70 Watts per 450g - Minimum for reasonable performance flight. Slow flyers and slow park flyers
70-90 Watts per 450g - Slow flying scale models, Trainers.
90-120 Watts per 450g - Sports aerobatic. Fast scale models.
120-150 Watts per 450g - Advanced aerobats. High Speed Models. Excellent Vertical performance. (1,000/450) * 120 = 267W/Kg, (1,000/450) * 150 = 333W/Kg
150+ Watts - Very High Speed, Unlimited Vertical Performance.

Note - You must include the weight of all the plane's components in your calculations - anything that leaves the ground with the plane needs to be included - batteries, the engine, speed controller, etc.

So, if you have a 900g delta wing, that you want to have unlimited vertical performance, you are going to have to try and generate 300w (900/450 = 2, 2 x 150 = 300).

If you have a slow flying scale plane that weights 350g then you need to try and generate a minimum of 54 watts (350/450 = 0.77, 0.77 x 70 = 54).

Scaling:

UniCopter (w/ 2 rotors) Scaled to AeroVantage (w/ 4 rotors) Comparison for General Reference:

Note that this is for the fairly efficient rotor (low disk loading), not that of a propeller, or the actual in-between.

 

 

Full scale:

1/2 scale:

1/3 scale:

1/4 scale:

1/8 scale:

1/10 scale:

 

Gross Weight (lb)

1325

160

50

21

2.6 lb; (1,182 g)

1.325

 

Rotor Radius - Front (ft)

4.2

2.1

1.4

1.0

0.52

0.42

 

Rotor Radius - Rear (ft)

3.3

1.7

1.1

0.82

0.41

0.33

 

Disk Area per Rotor - Front: (ft2)

55.4

13.9

6.2

3.5

0.87

0.55

 

Disk Area per Rotor - Rear: (ft2)

34.2

8.6

3.8

2.1

0.52

0.34

 

Total Disk Area - 4 rotors: (ft2)

179

45

20

11.2

2.78

1.78

 

Average Disk Loading: (lb/ft2) (4)

7.4

3.6

2.5

1.88

0.93

0.74

 

Total Power: (HP) (1) (6)

165

20.6hp ≈ 15,361W

6.1hp ≈ 4,549W

2.58hp ≈ 1,924W

0.322hp ≈ 340W

0.165hp ≈ 123W

 

Total Power: (HP) (1) (5) (6)

165

14.6hp ≈ 10,872W

3.52hp ≈ 2,625W

1.28hp ≈ 954W

0.114hp ≈ 85W

0.052hp ≈ 39W

 

Power (HP) Avg. Each of 4 motors

41

5.2 ~ 3.6

1.53 ~ 0.9

0.64 ~ 0.32; 477W ~ 239W

0.08hp ~ 0.03hp; 85W ~ 22W

0.04hp ~ 0.013hp; 31W ~ 10W

 

Rotor RRPM: See below

x

x

x

x

See below

x

 

Tip Speed: <0.7M. See below

x

x

x

x

x

x

 

Wing Span: (ft)

28.67

14.33

9.57

7.17

3.58

2.87

 

Overall Length in Hover Config.: (ft)

20.33

10.16

6.76

5.08

2.54

2.03

      1. Note that this value must be divided by 4 amongst 4 proprotors.
      2. Note that this value must be divided by 2 amongst 4 proprotors.
      3. These values are for the mean radius (to be adjusted by note 4 below). The front proprotor will have a 10% larger diameter and the aft proprotor will have a 10% smaller diameter.
      4. This may be higher than desired. Perhaps the diameter of the rotors should be increased. This is due to the fact that we are talking electric propulsion.
      5. p = (l /L)7/2 x P: p is power. l/L is the scale of the model. P is power of the full-size craft = 165hp. New fore and aft PropRotor requirements will come from AeroVantage - PropRotor - Disk - Load Balancing in Hover
        1. Example; 100hp and 1/10 scale is P = (1/10) 7/2 x 100 = (0.1) 3.5 x 10-2 = 3.16 * 10-2 ≈ 0.032hp ≈ 24W.
        2. 165hp and 1/2 scale is P = (1/2) 7/2 x 165 = (0.5) 3.5 x 165 = 0.088 * 165 ≈ 14.58hp ≈ 10,872W
        3. 165hp and 1/3 scale is P = (1/3) 7/2 x 165 = (0.333) 3.5 x 165 = 0.021 * 165 ≈ 3.52hp ≈ 2,625W
        4. 165hp and 1/4 scale is P = (1/4) 7/2 x 165 = (0.25) 3.5 x 165 = 0.008 * 165 ≈ 1.28hp ≈ 954W
        5. 165hp and 1/8 scale is P = (1/8) 7/2 x 165 = (0.125) 3.5 x 165 = 0.0007 * 165 ≈ 0.114hp ≈ 85W
        6. 165hp and 1/10 scale is P = (1/10) 7/2 x 165 = (0.1) 3.5 x 165 = 0.0003 * 165 ≈ 0.052hp ≈ 39W
      1. The power is based on the weight of the UniCopter, which has a disk loading of 3.5 to 4 lb/ft2. It must be remembered that the disk loading is much higher on the AeroVantage. Therefore the power to hover (or the terminal speed in autorotation) in the AeroVantage will be greater than the UniCopter. This means the AeroVantage's actual weight must be less and/or the disk area increased and/or larger motors be utilized.

AXI General Information:

Notes Related to RC Forum thread A New 1000mm Quad Copter Design

Here is the parts list:

Qty 1 Dammar Brushless PWB - $ 375 (MDammar@spectrolutions.com)

Spectrolutions Inc.

Qty 4 TP2410-09 Brushless Outrunner with mount - $26

http://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5111

TP2410-09
Dimensions: 31 x 62mm
Weight: 64.5g
Voltage: 10v (2~3 cell lipo)
Idle Current: .5A
Kv: 840RPM/V
Shaft: 3mm (Can use 3mm prop saver if you wish)
Max Efficiency: 8.4A
Max Load: 13.5A
Max Power: 104W
Suggested Prop: 9*4.7 / Slow Fly 1047

Qty 4 HW_P10A 10 Amp ESC - $58

http://xtremerctx.com/product_info.php?products_id=40&osCsid=1e60b7ea11da3921411cc8431b221658

Qty 2 8mm Carbon Fiber Square Tubing - $19

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/carbonfiber.htm

Qty 2 EPP1045 10x4.5 Props (Set of 2 counter rotating) - $8

http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/MPI-EPP1045/RC-PARTS-APC-PROPELLERS.html

Qty 4 MPI ACC363 3.00 mm Prop Saver - $2

Misc Alum sheet (.025" & .050"), 4-40 screws/nuts, Alum 1" square tubing, Velcro - $12

Total = $ 500

Another:

A New 1000mm Quad Copter

R/C Information: Perhaps put on its own page.

Components:

The AXi Model Motors Home Page

Watt Meter:

External links from Wikipedia ~ Quadrotor

Commercially Available RC Vehicles

Open Source Vehicles

Research Projects

Workup for Aerodynamic Interaction of Fore and Aft PropRotors, Plus Wing:

For motors see CNC_0018.html

For power supply (24V) see CNC_0076.html Omron S82K-10024, 24VDC:

Same page in 1x2:

OTHER: Aircraft - VTOL - AeroVantage - Scale 1x2 Overview

Introduction Page | SynchroLite Home Page | Electrotor Home Page | UniCopter Home Page | Nemesis Home Page | AeroVantage Home Page

Initially displayed: January 30, 2008 ~ Latest revision; September 2, 2009

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