Item 1667
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- PropRotor - AeroVantage - 2x4 Overview [Scale]![]()
Drawing:

Bill of Material 1667 ~ Final Assembly - for the 1/8 scale.
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Objective:
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How Much Power Do You Need to Fly?
[for airplanes, not helicopters]. From http://www.ozrcflying.com/archive/2007_01_01_archive.htmlTo figure out the power you need to fly a model depends on the weight of the model, and the type of model it is, as well as what you want from it.
In one of those quaint exposures of the inadequacies of the Imperial measures system which the US still cherishes this is normally expressed as Watts (a metric unit) per pound (an imperial unit). For those that want to work with a measurement system that makes sense, one pound equals approximately 450g for the numbers below.
50-70 Watts per 450g - Minimum for reasonable performance flight. Slow flyers and slow park flyers
70-90 Watts per 450g - Slow flying scale models, Trainers.
90-120 Watts per 450g - Sports aerobatic. Fast scale models.
120-150 Watts per 450g - Advanced aerobats. High Speed Models. Excellent Vertical performance. (1,000/450) * 120 = 267W/Kg, (1,000/450) * 150 = 333W/Kg
150+ Watts - Very High Speed, Unlimited Vertical Performance.
Note - You must include the weight of all the plane's components in your calculations - anything that leaves the ground with the plane needs to be included - batteries, the engine, speed controller, etc.
So, if you have a 900g delta wing, that you want to have unlimited vertical performance, you are going to have to try and generate 300w (900/450 = 2, 2 x 150 = 300).
If you have a slow flying scale plane that weights 350g then you need to try and generate a minimum of 54 watts (350/450 = 0.77, 0.77 x 70 = 54).
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Scaling:
UniCopter (w/ 2 rotors) Scaled to
AeroVantage (w/ 4 rotors) Comparison for General Reference:Note that this is for the fairly efficient rotor (low disk loading), not that of a propeller, or the actual in-between.
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1/2 scale: |
1/3 scale: |
1/4 scale: |
1/8 scale: |
1/10 scale: |
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Gross Weight (lb) |
1325 |
160 |
50 |
21 |
2.6 lb; (1,182 g) |
1.325 |
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Rotor Radius - Front (ft) |
4.2 |
2.1 |
1.4 |
1.0 |
0.52 |
0.42 |
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Rotor Radius - Rear (ft) |
3.3 |
1.7 |
1.1 |
0.82 |
0.41 |
0.33 |
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Disk Area per Rotor - Front: (ft2) |
55.4 |
13.9 |
6.2 |
3.5 |
0.87 |
0.55 |
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Disk Area per Rotor - Rear: (ft2) |
34.2 |
8.6 |
3.8 |
2.1 |
0.52 |
0.34 |
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Total Disk Area - 4 rotors: (ft2) |
179 |
45 |
20 |
11.2 |
2.78 |
1.78 |
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Average Disk Loading: (lb/ft2) (4) |
7.4 |
3.6 |
2.5 |
1.88 |
0.93 |
0.74 |
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Total Power: (HP) (1) (6) |
165 |
20.6hp ≈ 15,361W |
6.1hp ≈ 4,549W |
2.58hp ≈ 1,924W |
0.322hp ≈ 340W |
0.165hp ≈ 123W |
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Total Power: (HP) (1) (5) (6) |
165 |
14.6hp ≈ 10,872W |
3.52hp ≈ 2,625W |
1.28hp ≈ 954W |
0.114hp ≈ 85W |
0.052hp ≈ 39W |
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Power (HP) Avg. Each of 4 motors |
41 |
5.2 ~ 3.6 |
1.53 ~ 0.9 |
0.64 ~ 0.32; 477W ~ 239W |
0.08hp ~ 0.03hp; 85W ~ 22W |
0.04hp ~ 0.013hp; 31W ~ 10W |
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Rotor RRPM: See below |
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See below |
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Tip Speed: <0.7M. See below |
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Wing Span: (ft) |
28.67 |
14.33 |
9.57 |
7.17 |
3.58 |
2.87 |
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Overall Length in Hover Config.: (ft) |
20.33 |
10.16 |
6.76 |
5.08 |
2.54 |
2.03 |
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AXI General Information:
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Notes Related to RC Forum thread
A New 1000mm Quad Copter DesignHere is the parts list:
Qty 1 Dammar Brushless PWB - $ 375 (MDammar@spectrolutions.com)
Qty 4 TP2410-09 Brushless Outrunner with mount - $26
http://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5111
TP2410-09
Dimensions: 31 x 62mm
Weight: 64.5g
Voltage: 10v (2~3 cell lipo)
Idle Current: .5A
Kv: 840RPM/V
Shaft: 3mm (Can use 3mm prop saver if you wish)
Max Efficiency: 8.4A
Max Load: 13.5A
Max Power: 104W
Suggested Prop: 9*4.7 / Slow Fly 1047
Qty 4 HW_P10A 10 Amp ESC - $58
http://xtremerctx.com/product_info.php?products_id=40&osCsid=1e60b7ea11da3921411cc8431b221658
Qty 2 8mm Carbon Fiber Square Tubing - $19
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/carbonfiber.htm
Qty 2 EPP1045 10x4.5 Props (Set of 2 counter rotating) - $8
http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/MPI-EPP1045/RC-PARTS-APC-PROPELLERS.html
Qty 4 MPI ACC363 3.00 mm Prop Saver - $2
Misc Alum sheet (.025" & .050"), 4-40 screws/nuts, Alum 1" square tubing, Velcro - $12
Total = $ 500
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Another:
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R/C Information:
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Components:
The AXi Model Motors Home Page
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Watt Meter:
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External links from Wikipedia ~ Quadrotor
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Workup for Aerodynamic Interaction of Fore and Aft PropRotors, Plus Wing:
For motors see
CNC_0018.htmlFor power supply (24V) see
CNC_0076.html Omron S82K-10024, 24VDC:![]()
Same page in 1x2:
OTHER: Aircraft - VTOL - AeroVantage - Scale 1x2 Overview
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Initially displayed: January 30, 2008 ~ Latest revision; September 2, 2009
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